getannotation({"annotations":[{"id":1539,"username":"seb","context":"vizierTable","element":"VII/4A/zwicky","creationDate":1298564334000,"parentId":1510,"isAdmin":"true","isPrivate":"false","text":"[i]The comments below come from an exchange between H. Andernach and Harold Corwin in February 2012[/i]\r\n\r\n2012, really ? ;o)","parsedText":"\u003ci\u003eThe comments below come from an exchange between H. Andernach and Harold Corwin in February 2012\u003c/i\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e2012, really ? ;o)","adminText":"","type":"comment"},{"id":1510,"username":"fox1","context":"vizierTable","element":"VII/4A/zwicky","creationDate":1298461488000,"parentId":-1,"isAdmin":"true","isPrivate":"false","text":"This annotation concerns [link catalogue\u003dVII/4A/zwicky queryParams\u003drecno%3d1039]ZwCl 0458.5+0536[/link].\r\n\r\nNo cluster can obviously be found at that position in Zwicky's catalog of clusters of galaxies. The comments below come from an exchange between H. Andernach and Harold Corwin in February 2011:\r\n\r\n[i](from H. Andernach) I recently stumbled over  a literature mention of ZwCl 0459.6+0606 (in  1974MNRAS.166..235Hoskins), but the cluster is not visible in the  DSS postage stamp shown by NED...  supposedly a cluster of diameter  of 59 arcmin (!). No distance class given...   On the DSS2 image  I downloaded (deeper than what Zwicky had !) I don't see any indication  of a cluster, unless an extremely faint one...  The nearest prominent  galaxy is   2MASX J05012838+0601089  (no redshift according to NED...) and  the nearest Abell cluster is 20 arcmin away to the W (A0529) at z \u003d .11.  The only object with redshift in NED within r\u003d12 arcmin is at 1.2' from  the Zw position: PKS 0459+060 at z\u003d1.1, so did Zwicky see a cluster  at z\u003d1.1 ?  Zwicky classified it as \"medium distant\". I checked for  possible extended X-ray emission sources, but only the PKS QSO itself  is known as X- and gamma-ray source (blazar).[/i]\r\n[i]Even Simbad doesn't have it...  neither as ZwCl 0459.6+0606,  nor ZwCl 1039    nor  Cl Zwicky 1039 ...  nor nothing corresponding in an appropriate coordinate search...[/i]\r\n[i]So what is ZwCl 0459.6+0606 ?? Zero references in NED...[/i]\r\n\r\n(from H. Corwin)\r\nZwCl 0459.6+0606 is one of those sprawling, clumpy Zwicky \"clusters\" that is made up of at least two clusters found by others.  [link object\u003dAbell 529]Abell 529[/link] is in the western part, and [link object\u003dRX J0503.1+0608]RX J0503.1+0608[/link] is in the east.  Looking at the map in CGCG, Zwicky's cluster stretches from 04 57 to 05 02 (1950) in RA and from +05 35 to +06 30 in Dec, with a somewhat irregular shape.  \r\nA NED search for other clusters within a degree of Zwicky's position turns up only [link object\u003dAbell 526]Abell 526[/link] and [link object\u003dZwCl 0458.5+0536]ZwCl 0458.5+0536[/link] (in addition to the two above).  A526 has the same redshift (0.085+-) as RXJ0503, so they may be in the foreground of A529.  In that case, Zwicky's cluster falls apart.  \r\nScanning over the area on DSS images, I see the two clusters A529 and RXJ0503, as well as many other scattered galaxies and groups, but no other obvious clusters.  \r\nAll this probably doesn't help much, but Zwicky had his own inimitable way of defining clusters, based on his notion of the maximum allowable size of a gravitationally-bound unit (assumes gravitational waves move at the speed of light). Until another wacky genius with an interest in large-scale structure comes along, I'm afraid we're stuck with what Zwicky left us.  \r\n\r\n","parsedText":"This annotation concerns \u003ca href\u003d'http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/VizieR?-source\u003dVII%2F4A%2Fzwicky\u0026-out.add\u003d_r\u0026-sort\u003d_r\u0026recno%3d1039'\u003eZwCl 0458.5+0536\u003c/a\u003e.\u003cbr /\u003e\u003cbr /\u003eNo cluster can obviously be found at that position in Zwicky's catalog of clusters of galaxies. The comments below come from an exchange between H. Andernach and Harold Corwin in February 2011:\u003cbr /\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\u003ci\u003e(from H. Andernach) I recently stumbled over  a literature mention of ZwCl 0459.6+0606 (in \u003ca href\u003d'http://cdsbib.u-strasbg.fr/cgi-bin/cdsbib?+1974MNRAS.166..235H'\u003e 1974MNRAS.166..235H\u003c/a\u003eoskins), but the cluster is not visible in the  DSS postage stamp shown by NED...  supposedly a cluster of diameter  of 59 arcmin (!). No distance class given...   On the DSS2 image  I downloaded (deeper than what Zwicky had !) I don't see any indication  of a cluster, unless an extremely faint one...  The nearest prominent  galaxy is   2MASX J05012838+0601089  (no redshift according to NED...) and  the nearest Abell cluster is 20 arcmin away to the W (A0529) at z \u003d .11.  The only object with redshift in NED within r\u003d12 arcmin is at 1.2' from  the Zw position: PKS 0459+060 at z\u003d1.1, so did Zwicky see a cluster  at z\u003d1.1 ?  Zwicky classified it as \u0026quot;medium distant\u0026quot;. I checked for  possible extended X-ray emission sources, but only the PKS QSO itself  is known as X- and gamma-ray source (blazar).\u003c/i\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\u003ci\u003eEven Simbad doesn't have it...  neither as ZwCl 0459.6+0606,  nor ZwCl 1039    nor  Cl Zwicky 1039 ...  nor nothing corresponding in an appropriate coordinate search...\u003c/i\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\u003ci\u003eSo what is ZwCl 0459.6+0606 ?? Zero references in NED...\u003c/i\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e(from H. Corwin)\u003cbr /\u003eZwCl 0459.6+0606 is one of those sprawling, clumpy Zwicky \u0026quot;clusters\u0026quot; that is made up of at least two clusters found by others.  \u003ca href\u003d'http://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident\u003dAbell+529\u0026NbIdent\u003d1\u0026Radius\u003d2\u0026Radius.unit\u003darcmin\u0026submit\u003dsubmit+id'\u003eAbell 529\u003c/a\u003e is in the western part, and \u003ca href\u003d'http://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident\u003dRX+J0503.1%2B0608\u0026NbIdent\u003d1\u0026Radius\u003d2\u0026Radius.unit\u003darcmin\u0026submit\u003dsubmit+id'\u003eRX J0503.1+0608\u003c/a\u003e is in the east.  Looking at the map in CGCG, Zwicky's cluster stretches from 04 57 to 05 02 (1950) in RA and from +05 35 to +06 30 in Dec, with a somewhat irregular shape.  \u003cbr /\u003eA NED search for other clusters within a degree of Zwicky's position turns up only \u003ca href\u003d'http://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident\u003dAbell+526\u0026NbIdent\u003d1\u0026Radius\u003d2\u0026Radius.unit\u003darcmin\u0026submit\u003dsubmit+id'\u003eAbell 526\u003c/a\u003e and \u003ca href\u003d'http://simbad.cds.unistra.fr/simbad/sim-id?Ident\u003dZwCl+0458.5%2B0536\u0026NbIdent\u003d1\u0026Radius\u003d2\u0026Radius.unit\u003darcmin\u0026submit\u003dsubmit+id'\u003eZwCl 0458.5+0536\u003c/a\u003e (in addition to the two above).  A526 has the same redshift (0.085+-) as RXJ0503, so they may be in the foreground of A529.  In that case, Zwicky's cluster falls apart.  \u003cbr /\u003eScanning over the area on DSS images, I see the two clusters A529 and RXJ0503, as well as many other scattered galaxies and groups, but no other obvious clusters.  \u003cbr /\u003eAll this probably doesn't help much, but Zwicky had his own inimitable way of defining clusters, based on his notion of the maximum allowable size of a gravitationally-bound unit (assumes gravitational waves move at the speed of light). Until another wacky genius with an interest in large-scale structure comes along, I'm afraid we're stuck with what Zwicky left us.  \u003cbr /\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e","adminText":"","type":"comment"}],"requestedCatalogue":"VII/4A"})